036 Slow Is Smooth And Smooth Is Fast! The Philosophy Of Fitness Ep. 26

Cody and Tali explore the idea of slowing down to get better results, drawing lessons for life out of the weightlifting cue: Slow Is Smooth And Smooth Is Fast!

00:45 Icebreaker: Favorite Coaching Cues

04:18 Our First Podcast Video! <<Link To YouTube>>

05:27 Today’s Topic: Slow Is Smooth And Smooth Is Fast! How does this carry over from a weightlifting cue into the rest of our lives? 

20:56 Essentialism: The Disciplined Pursuit of Less Paperback – by Greg McKeown, Marie Kondo's Kurashi at Home: How to Organize Your Space and Achieve Your Ideal Life (The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up) Hardcover – by Marie Kondo, Getting Things Done: The Art of Stress-Free Productivity Paperback – by David Allen

30:02 Hilarious Infomercial Acting. If only these poor people knew that Slow Is Smooth And Smooth Is Fast! 

35:38 Rushing results is counterproductive. Treat your work as urgent but the results with patience.

40:04 The Upper Limit Problem: The Big Leap: Conquer Your Hidden Fear and Take Life to the Next Level by Gay Hendricks

41:00 You must embody the life you want. Instead of looking toward goals to achieve, focus on becoming the person who lives out your life’s vision! (See more here)

47:06 Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World by David Epstein Slowing down the process of figuring out how you want to live your life can help you make better choices for the long haul!

52:32 Start Where You’re At, Ep. 030

1:05:24 Slowing down your actions helps smooth (and soothe) the mind!

1:07:06 Getting strong too fast makes you weak.

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Transcript

Cody: 0:56

Hi, this is Cody Limbaugh. And

Tali: 0:58

I'm Tali Zabari, and you're listening to the Philosophy of Fitness podcast on the Live

Cody: 1:03

All Your Life Network.

Tali: 1:26

Since today's topic is really related around a cue, maybe we can have our icebreaker be what our favorite cue is, or favorite cue to give. As a coach. Hmm. Okay. You wanna go first after, no, I have to think about it.

Cody: 1:48

favorite. I, I'm bad with favorites,

Tali: 1:50

you know that. I know. Okay. Notable cue. Notable

1:53

cues

Cody: 1:54

that okay. Yeah. Hmm. Well, I like to verbally cue people on how to feel weight in their feet.

Tali: 2:06

That was gonna be mine. Mm-hmm. I had landed on something and that's a really good one. That's a really it's a hard hitter.

Cody: 2:14

Yeah. Because I think people get all twisted up when they're thinking about their exercise, how their body is moving, and maybe different parts of their body. And if you're not grounded, if you don't have a good solid base of support, then everything else up. is kind of falling apart. Well, and I'll, so

Tali: 2:31

you have to ask, I'll add a

Cody: 2:32

layer to that. You have to have weight properly placed in your feet, and it can be different depending on what you're trying to accomplish, right? Sure. So, yeah, I think weight placement in the feet is something I, I cue a lot.

Tali: 2:45

Just like you said, it's foundational. It's where many movements begin. And like I said, I wanna take that to another level where it took me years to learn this, but the floor is a tool. It's a, it's a point of leverage. And when you notice that the floor can be used to your advantage, things change drastically. A lot of cues or a lot of the way that I see lifts or try to teach lifts can be kind of counterintuitive to the language. So a deadlift, a clean a snatch, a. All of those are referred to as pulling mechanisms. But a lot of times what that can do, or the way it pronounces it an athlete, is that they will try to pull with their arms or pull with their back when you really want them to be using their legs and pulling with your legs doesn't really make a lot of sense. Mm-hmm. but pushing with your legs Sure does. Which initiates a pulling mechanic with the rest of the body. So I like to think about the deadlift as a leg press or the beginning of a clean or a snatch being the first push. Mm-hmm. And that all has to do with really grounding yourself in your feet and using that floor as a tool. Cuz otherwise I think you can be kind of soft in your feet or light on your feet. Mm-hmm. And you won't really. Get as much muscular recruitment that way or even perform the mechanism correctly. That's right. So,

Cody: 4:25

yeah. And it carries over to jump rope, boxing, running in other, in other ways where you want to be lighter on your feet, but that requires a certain. Yeah, when you throw a punch, you have to be planted. But when you're trying, that one is so hard for me to remember. You're trying to stay agile, then you don't want be too planted. You don't wanna be able to move, you know, duck and weave, et cetera. So knowing how to respond to the feeling of the floor on your feet is critical for those kind of coaching cues. Yeah. All right. Good icebreaker. Yeah, we've broken

Tali: 4:57

the ice. It took a minute. I think it's because this feels really different, like having a light shining on us. Yeah. And the camera rolling. So this is our first time recording video. Any video. Yeah. And this is our 30th ish episode.

Cody: 5:11

It's, well, we have 30 published by the time this comes out, it'll be episode. Yeah. We'll have a, a few more, 35 or greater. So yeah, took us a while to get this set up. the audio, just so you know, if you're watching this on YouTube or wherever you're seeing this, the audio is probably not as great on the video as it is on our actual podcast. So if the audio is bothering you, head over to Spotify or iTunes or wherever you listen to podcasts and get the good Clean audio there

Tali: 5:38

Sorry. That's a funny and ironic moment to trip over a little bit. Yeah. But or just turn the volume down. That goes a really long way.

Cody: 5:46

Yeah. We have a couple different mic setups here. Yeah. In order to accommodate our lagging technology. But it's improving. So it's improving because we actually have a video now, so Totally. It's a step. It's directionally correct. Yes, it is. Yes. It's so anyway, welcome if you're watching us and yeah. Hi mom.

Tali: 6:06

I know she'll watch it.

Cody: 6:07

So let's introduce today's topic because I think it's very cool how it keeps coming up in our lives recently. It does.

Tali: 6:15

It's a cue that I learned from Jim Schmidtz a weightlifting coach and a weightlifter who was really big on the scene or in the scene in the seventies when. The sport of Olympic weightlifting was like really hitting the United States hard. Still a small but mighty following. Anyway, today's theme is the cue. Slow is smooth and smooth as fast.

Cody: 6:44

Yes, I heard that first in weightlifting as well, but it was from Mike Bergner. You're kidding. No, I heard him say that, actually. What? I don't remember that. Yeah. It was in a training video at some point, and he was coaching a vol. I forget the guy's name now, but I think he was like a pro volleyball player or collegiate vo volleyball player who was getting into weightlifting and forget he was a coach. It's a long time ago. I've been in this game for a long time, but that's the first place I heard it as well. But then recently we heard it on a sitcom. Do you. No, we were watching Modern Family reruns for one night. I think we'd watched a scary movie or something. And so we like to cleanse the palette a little bit before we go to bed by watching something stupid and like, you know, something short and easy. And we were watching Modern Family and I forget what the situation was, but the, they were in the car and they were like having to like rush out and do something really fast. Was

Tali: 7:45

it the Christmas episode where they're like trying to do Christmas in a day

Cody: 7:49

something and before they got out of the car, the dad is like, slow is smooth and smooth as fast, and then everybody repeats it and then they all get out of the car and like go do their mission that they were on. I remember you and I all you and I looked at each other like, what because we thought it was kind of an exclusive saying to the weightlifting world, but apparently it's not.

Tali: 8:11

No, it's not. And I read it again this weekend finishing up my nutrition certification. But before we move on, I just wanna like pull it back to Coach Bergner and Coach Schmitz really quick. The first weightlifting certification I got was through CrossFit and Coach Bergner was leading it and Jim Schmitz was a part of his supportive staff. Cool. And a few years later I had taken a U s A weightlifting certification and Jim Schmidtz was leading it. So it was kind of cool that there were familiar faces from one certification to the next. So I would imagine that. there with as small as the world is of weightlifting, there's gotta be a lot of crossover in that way. Yeah. Yeah. So the reason slow is smooth, smooth as fast is taught in weightlifting is that it's a very technically nuanced, yeah. Technically nuanced sport. And I would say yes, it's a strength sport, but it, it touches on so many other athletic qualities. And if the technique is not sound, it doesn't really matter how strong you are. The movements really demand certain dynamics and mechanics of the body that really need to be given respect, I guess. Mm-hmm. really taken into account rather than just like ripping the bar off the floor. And so It really prioritizes making sure that, you know, your lift is going through all its positional checkpoints that the most advantageous timing is being applied to the bar and building momentum is being carried through appropriately. And so slow, smooth, smooth as fast is really an attempt to illustrate that you can't rush the lift. Mm-hmm. it has to be kind of following a set of priorities. And speed is an easy implementation, especially when like things are feeling heavy or if you're like particularly amped up sometimes if the speed is too great, then everything else kind of falls apart and I think that that translates into a lot of other arenas as well.

Cody: 10:31

Yeah. Oh yeah, it totally does. With, for me, the way I've thought of it in weightlifting, just to maybe put it in a little bit simpler terms, is Sorry. No, it's fine. It's just that there is an order of operations. Okay. And if you don't hit those in the correct order, you lose efficiency. Yes. That's the bottom line. And if you rush it, you're much more likely to do things in the improper order or even skip a step all

Tali: 10:57

altogether skipping steps you know, not finding the right positions. Mm-hmm. a lot of those things could be missed. And, and a

Cody: 11:05

little bit what we were talking about with the queuing, you know, we talked about queuing into the floor and how your feet placement is and everything. Yeah. And some of that is if you're rushing things and just sort of like spazzing out a little bit, you're not gonna have a mind body connection. You know, you Yes. Talk to me. You, you really opened my eyes when I kind of went from a peripheral view of weightlifting and then getting. a little bit more into the world. When I met you was having a connection with the bar, like being able to feel connected to the bar. Yes. Because a lot of times the way weightlifting is taught is like you should have so much momentum on the bar that it just sort of flies up and you catch it, or it feels weightless and it feels weightless and it's like, and you got no, not really

Tali: 11:49

or people would say things and I probably even said it as a young coach being like, there's gonna be a point of weightlessness and you're going to catch the bar. Yeah. Or you know, you're gonna like lose connection and then regain it. Mm-hmm. so off. Yeah. So off

Cody: 12:04

it is I think, valuable to teach people the idea of momentum, but that would be like only on day one. Like, I would never continue to coach people to try to seek that weightlessness feeling because ever since. I began to think about your cues of like, of feeling connected to the bar at all times. It may, everything feels better. Like every lift has been better since.

Tali: 12:27

I'm so happy to hear that. I honestly have not thought about that in a long time

Cody: 12:31

because it's kind of a 1 0 1 thing, I guess. You know,

Tali: 12:34

your world, why wouldnt, it's a one-on 1, 0 1 thing, but it's also, I think something you cultivate a feel for and you're not really conscious of it anymore. Mm-hmm. I know when a lift feels right. I know when a lift looks right to the degree that it's hard to be conscious of it sometimes. It's just a knowing it's happening so fast, and that's kind of an important element to this. I had written a note about course correction and that has a lot to do with what you're saying about feeling connection to the bar because, you know, given any lift especially a dynamic lift, that's gonna be ground overhead you know, if you're not hitting your technique just right, which is gonna happen in higher percentages No matter how sound your technique is, that's kind of like the hallmark of that that level of intensity is that there are gonna be things that go wrong, but if you aren't like moving with intention or feeling that bar or not trying to like trick yourself out of how heavy it feels in your hands, right? Because Right. Maintaining that slower pace off the be heavy. Yeah. You don't wanna, you don't wanna like. What the bar needs to do. Mm-hmm. And so if you are, if you're moving too quickly through it, you won't have the opportunity to course correct because it's all happening so quickly. You're not feeling the areas of where you need to make slight adjustments. And we're talking about a lift that lasts like three to four seconds if that

Cody: 14:01

Yeah. Right. It's really

Tali: 14:02

quick. Right? So the slow is smooth, smooth as fast. It's that we're, we're moving at a speed with the bar that we're able to feel it all the way through. Mm-hmm. which

Cody: 14:13

maintains more intention and awareness, like throughout the movement and

Tali: 14:17

the ability to correct mistakes. Right. That does happen all the time. We see all these crazy lifts out there where people are like making great saves and whatever. Like that's not by accident. Mm. They're moving with the weight in such a way that they can make those crazy saves or those really wonky corrections. Yeah. In order to make the lift.

Cody: 14:38

And if you're not into weightlifting, just stay tuned because a lot of this has carry over to some pretty universal philosophical ideas here. Mm-hmm. I think in everything that we were just talking about. I would like to, real quick though, before we get into like personal development side of this, is just to draw more analogies with for people who might have different experiences outside of weightlifting. Mm-hmm. because this whole slow is smooth, smooth as fast is just as applicable to something like learning guitar, for instance, or any musical instrument if you're gonna learn a, a riff or a scale or some sort of pattern of notes. It is, it's, it's an old. Old technique for teachers for centuries probably to like slow the tempo of the song down much slower than it was intended to be Played. Sure. To teach the student to play at the proper cadence and to hold the notes for the proper length of time and to find the notes without having to stutter. Stop stutter. You've heard people who are like amateurs or just learning to play guitar and it's like B B B B, B B, like they kept catch up on it. It's better to just go ahead and slow the whole tempo down so that if you're having to search for notes, at least you're going nice and smooth.

Tali: 15:54

It's hard to do though. It's really tempting to wanna move faster. and I can say that. In regards to piano. When I was following the book, which was teaching me to read music and to, to classically learn to play the piano, it drove me crazy to try to slow it down because I wanna sing along to the song. I wanna get to the end And so it's easy to just kind of like what it's easy. I wanna get to the end.

Cody: 16:20

It's like a goal, goal-oriented song.

Tali: 16:22

I know. I just, I wanna be able to complete the song. You know, I wanna be able to, to learn what comes next as opposed to just being stuck on the first gotcha verse or measures or however you wanna phrase it. But it's really hard to commit to that. And the same thing is in weightlifting. It's really tempting to wanna rush things because then it's over with. Or you know you're gonna get it to your shoulder sooner. Or you know, why you think you can like trick or cheat the bar is ridiculous. It will always tell you otherwise. The bar is always boss. Mm-hmm. Oh, I like that. Boss Bar is Bar is Boss. Boss. Yeah. And yeah, I, I would say that that's kind of true to form when it comes to learning. Any new skill for myself personally, is always wanting to skip ahead to get to a point where I'm feeling comfortable and to slow things down enough to do them correctly is not in my nature, but weightlifting has taught me that that is really a beneficial way to go. Yeah.

Cody: 17:19

I use the same technique when I'm coaching boxing as well. So I don't coach boxing for fighting. I'm just gonna put that out there. I'm not a martial arts expert or any kind of expert when it comes to fighting arts, but I have taught quite a bit of boxing technique as far as safety and EF and efficacy is in, in fitness realms. So heavy bags and focus mitts and that kind of thing. And I try to teach real boxing posture and real mechanics. Like I said, footwork comes first and moving the hips, that kind of thing. So it's not, it's not like cheesy group class fitness, but it's also not like I'm, I'm not training you to get into a battle. So it's somewhere in between, somewhere in between But it's very easy to teach complete newbies different combinations and positioning with their body to be able to move their hips properly by teaching it in slowmo. Mm. So I have them, you know, get in the proper stance, feel the weight in their feet, move their hips, and it's nice and slow. Nothing about boxing should be slow. I mean, every time you throw. a punch. It should be fast. Whether it's powerful or not, because not every punch is intended to be maximum power, but it should be fast because otherwise you're telegraphing where it's gonna land and your opponent just goes, eh, you know, moves outta the way. So you're training at half speed. So you're training at half speed though to get the body mechanics to flow. And it's exactly the same concept. Once it's smooth, then you can gradually start to turn up the speed. And so and then one more analogy I just wanted to mention is like starting a fire. If you start a fire in the fireplace and you put in like a bunch of big logs and a bunch of paper and you're just like, wow, you know, trying to like rush the process, it's gonna be a flash and pan. You will not ignite, you won't get a fire. So you have to be willing to start slow. You have to like put the paper small kindling, get that crackling a little bit, add a little bit bigger stick, get that crackling, and then finally like, you know, stack it full. So I feel like this really is a carryover to many, many things in life. Oh yeah. These are physical things that we're talking about, but I'd like to get into some of the psychology behind this as well.

Tali: 19:26

Well, before we get there, cuz I, I don't necessarily have a, like, a lot prepared in that level, like that depth. But I think it could be just like really practically applied. Like, not even just a skill acquisition, but I'm a person who feels like they're often rushing. Mm-hmm. I'm always rushing to get out the door, always rushing to do my makeup, always rushing to get ready or we a cook or whatever. Yeah. We pack a lot in our lives. Yeah. I have a, I just have like this constant feeling of lajas, which is a Hebrew word for like, that certain pressure you feel when you're on a time clock. And all of those are self-induced for the most part. I could give myself all the time in the world, but I will still only use like the last little stretch of it. most effectively. Yeah. But a lot of times I, I now am able to stop myself and say, okay, slow down. Mm-hmm. because if I'm rushing, the quality of whatever I'm doing is gonna suck. Mm-hmm. or I'm gonna make a bigger mess than what I started with. Or, you know, I'm gonna leave feeling frazzled and not put together and it's just gonna kind of set the tone for the whole day. And so thinking about slow as smooth, smooth as fast, it just gives me a moment to like, stop reset and just be like, okay, take your time. Like, I'll notice that like my motor skills or my motor patterns like aren't as clumsy or, you know, if you ever like try to rush, tie your shoes or like rush put on your jacket, it's like, you know, or your shirt and it's inside out, you know, that happens out of like rushing too much. Mm-hmm. and just being able to like pull back and. The odd thing, which is kind of counterintuitive, is that you'll actually get more done if you just like slow the F down because at that point you're mitigating any kind of missteps that rushing might induce. And that's what I was saying about weightlifting is that when you're rushing it, you are abandoning a lot of important technique that's gonna make you more privy to mistakes. Mm-hmm. And that's the same in anything else. Any other task. Yeah.

Cody: 21:35

Yeah. Fast. Fast is sloppy until you've practiced it enough. It's almost like you have to earn. The ability to be fast is at, at something. And that's a good way of putting it. I actually put a note on here. I know this keeps coming up. So this is an ad nauseum situation where I keep mentioning the same word, but it's cuz we're reading this book called Essentialism and I'm fascinated by the idea that Greg McEwen, the way he puts forth, not just in his book, but on his podcast too, I'll provide a link for you. So read the notes here, but he's just so good at boiling down ideas and trying to get you to think in essentialist terms. And one of his sayings is, do less but better. Yeah. And I think the still kind of applies to this concept of slow as smooth, smooth as fast, because if. If you eliminate distractions or just say like, wait, I'm not gonna rush this. I'm just gonna go ahead and take my time and put the quality in. Then it can, it can lead to faster results, which is what we're doing things for in our lives. Well,

Tali: 22:41

you had mentioned efficiency.

Cody: 22:42

Yeah. And so I think it kind of relates to that essentialist idea. It's like, yeah, we're not gonna rush and just so we can do more. We're gonna do less but better. And slowing down and smoothing things out, I think can really lead to that essentialist mindset, which is so freeing. Like, it's so fun to like, you know, Marie Condo talks about decluttering your house and your environment. Right. I'm so

Tali: 23:07

glad you're bringing her up. I'm glad that was beneficial

Cody: 23:10

for you. Yeah. I mean, I, I don't really, I don't really buy into it for me. Like, I don't, I love, well,

Tali: 23:16

I don't buy into her categories. Yeah. I love her level of organization, but she's got this like, like clothes kitchen. And then paper and everything else. Yeah. Like that can't be one component. That's crazy. Well, you and

Cody: 23:32

I are into a lot of classical styles. So we meaning, well, like in architecture, we love ornate things. And like the beauty that architecture was before Oh,

Tali: 23:45

I guess the eighties. Is she too much of a minimalist for you?

Cody: 23:48

Yeah. Everything. It's like living in a hospital, I feel like if I were to live in Marie Kondo's house, but my point is, is I like stuff around, but I like the concept because I don't, I like having stuff around Nick Nags books, whatever, but only if I love them. Like I only want stuff that I really like and not a bunch of trash just to fill space, you know? And there's, so I think you can even apply a minimalist mindset or ideal even to an aesthetic that you and I like where we like rich colors and we like artwork and. you know, if we have a million books all over the house and I love that. I love that look. But that doesn't mean I want to just pick up every knickknack at a garage sale and start cluttering every shelf.

Tali: 24:32

This is definitely a tangent. probably where I'm gonna be taking this. But my desire for like beautiful things in our home has really changed since we've moved here. one, because you have too much crap, one is because of all the crap that we've had to move out from two previous generations living in this home. Yes. And then the second is that we live in like the Dustiest place on earth. You know, dirt, roads, high desert. There's just like dust everywhere all the time. Yes. And bugs and, yes. And so I think about having stuff as like more opportunity for dust to collect. Yeah. So I only want enough stuff that like, I'd be able to keep it. cleaner, clean. Yeah. Yeah. We also have a lot of house for the two of us. We do. It's hard.

Cody: 25:20

But I guess the reason I bring her up is that I feel like slow is smooth, smooth as fast is almost like a decluttering of processes as well. And essentialism, same, same kind of thing. Hmm. Where it feels better in the mind. David Allen talks a lot about this too. Who's that? He wrote a book which I'll link in the notes cause I'm forgetting the name of right now. But he, he wrote a book. Yeah. It's on Awesome guy. It's on organizational skills. Okay. It's on, I, it's got some obvious name that it, I'm gonna feel stupid for forgetting later. But he basically says like, the more you can have a reliable, it's very critical that it's reliable system for organizing all of your thoughts. So, You and I are list makers like you and I have so many notebooks all over this house. It's kind of insane. We also have paper planners, but we also use Evernote and we also use Google Drive, and we have like we have Oh, for note taking and yeah, we, we have idea stuff spread out all over the place. Mm-hmm. and his book is, is about systematizing that so that you have a reliable way of capturing ideas. So nothing ever gets, there's There's never a feeling of like, Ooh, I don't wanna forget this. You don't have to worry about it cuz you know you have a system you can trust. But maybe

Tali: 26:37

pairing down to just one method as it opposed to, well,

Cody: 26:39

pairing it down so that it's consolidated and it, the way he organizes it is a little bit like a funnel. So you have like a catchall folder in your Evernote that's just like every thought, every idea, every. clipping every, you, you know, take pictures of books. Do you wanna make notes out of like, everything? Kinda like on one document, one thing. Yeah. And then there's a, oh, that makes me sick. Yep. No, not on a document. In a folder. In one folder. Okay. Organized. And then that catches everything. And you know it's caught. So you don't have to think that, oh, I'm gonna lose this idea. And then you have a specific time in your schedule where these things can go. Like, this is a to-do item, this is a research. Like maybe I can look it up later. Mm-hmm. just by a keyword. So I can just fold that away. And it's a way of like filtering these things down so that it's always organized. I have yet to ever get there in my life, but I can understand how by slowing down. and smoothing out that process, how it can declutter your mind, kind of like the Marie Kondo approach to decluttering your environment.

Tali: 27:38

What about the Dewey Decimal system?

Cody: 27:44

We should set that up for our library. We have enough books that we can set that up.

Tali: 27:48

So fun fact I've heard about the Dewey Decimal system, but I've never formally interacted with

Cody: 27:53

it. For, for those of you who don't know us well, there's 16 years between us and usually that never comes up. Like I never think about it and hardly ever since we first got together. But every once in a while something comes up where she's a, she asks a question about what something is, and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm out. Like, I am so old right now. So we were watching Carrie, which was so good, which was made in 1976. It's almost as old as I am. Mm-hmm. And there's a part where she's in the library and she's. going through these little note cards with numbers and letters on them. You know what

Tali: 28:33

threw me off though, is that the first note that she pulled up had a quote on it, and I was like, what is this just a box of quotes? Like it's a book title was it? Yeah. Oh, is a book title, right? Because that's how they're categorized or that's how they're like annotated.

Cody: 28:47

Yes. The book titles are in parentheses funny. And then the author is outside the parentheses, you mean quotations? Yes, quotations. Sorry. Yeah. And so she Oh, that's hilarious. She looks over at me, we're like cuddling on the couch, and she looks up at me and she's like, what is she looking through? And I was like, stop the fucking movie. I have to What? What? you are

Tali: 29:08

stunned. I was stunned. Your face, I've never seen that. Look on your face. You were like you looked like both frustrated and like you were about to bust up laughing.

Cody: 29:17

I w yeah, I wasn't frustrated and I didn't want you to feel like I was condescending cuz it's just like, how would you know? You didn't grow up with that. But I grew up with that. I I remember having to like ride my BMX bike down to the library and like shuffle through cards in order to find the book in the library and take the card out and hand it to the librarian to check it out. And At your school, right? No, at the public library. At the public library. Oh, okay. And in my school, like they both had they, yeah. So yeah, it's all digital. It's all digital in these days. Digital. And because it's digital, you can just look up the book you want and it just tells you where to go find it

Tali: 29:52

in the books or in school. So she was in her school library, right? At my school. I mean, I went to a very small school. You just like looked through the books. I know that they were all categorized cuz they had the little piece of tape over them with all the numbers and letters. What's the Dewey Decimal system on it?

Cody: 30:08

Never used it. Yeah. That was a requirement of, of my grade school was learning the Dewey Decimal system, like how it worked, how the categories were

Tali: 30:17

arranged. It's, well, it's impress of how, how, well I don't know if it's universal, but you said it's like nationwide.

Cody: 30:22

It's at least nationwide. I think it's, I think it's probably more, it's like all like English speaking, European type nations. I don't know how far the Dewey Decimal system works. Well, like

Tali: 30:33

I said, this could be a tangent, but very much a tangent. That's

Cody: 30:36

hilarious. But it definitely is organized. Yes. And which is how you got on the tangent,

Tali: 30:43

Right. Well, it's funny because an image keeps coming to mind. I was saying how, you know, I think about slow as smooth, smooth as fast, when I'm feeling particularly rushed, or if I just notice that like, whatever I'm doing is going horribly, horribly wrong, like, just like tripping over my words, like slowing down. I know when I was, you know, you and I were first getting together, I was really in the habit of correcting what I was saying mm-hmm. and slowing down my speech so that I could reach for the words that I wanted. And I, I can hear myself doing it right now, that I'm thinking about it, and it feels so slow. To do that. Yeah. But the more comfortable I get doing that, the easier my speech can be. Mm-hmm. But what always keeps coming to mind is like those people in infomercials, that are like, you know, fusing with their phone or like dropping things out of a pan and it's like really catastrophic. Yeah. Yeah. Those people are so funny. I, what did I write? I said infomercial. Imbeciles.

Cody: 31:49

Yes. I'm gonna link to one of those videos in the description of this podcast because they are hilarious.

Tali: 31:56

They're like entire compilations on YouTube. Yes. For those. And it's the funniest and it would be for something totally. unrealistic. Like your telephone that has a cord on it, they're like, do you still have a cord that's attached to the wall? And they're like, you know, playing with the

Cody: 32:10

cord, like all the, they're caught in it around like, spider-Man just attacked him or something. Yeah. It's just like, I've never had that issue. Yeah.

Tali: 32:18

Well so another area that it came up in recently, this weekend I was finishing up my nutrition coaching certification. It's, yay. Its a big mouthful. Yay. It only took me three years. Three years

Cody: 32:31

working against Gravity certified coach.

Tali: 32:32

Yeah. That's a really great feeling. Yeah. And the last bit of the chorus work was coaching women through pregnancy and there was an emphasis on this concept in what they call the fourth trimester or the postpartum phase. And, you know, there being a lot of pressure to Get your pre-baby body back or to get back to yeah, bounce back, back to normal life. And there can be a lot of pressure put on oneself to, you know, get right back to training or right back to tracking macros. And a lot of the themes in coaching someone through pregnancy is really developing an awareness for what their body needs and focusing on more foundational things like the quality of your food, not necessarily the quantity, which obviously macro counting is a, has a big part of. And I think the idea there, You know, it takes small steps to create really long lasting change and there's no rush to do it. You and I were just talking about this earlier today, where it's really easy to wanna make all of our decisions right now about where we want to be. Mm-hmm. later down the line. Mm-hmm. And there's something very like, virtuous about that, that I think comes really naturally to one of, like, put yourself in that position, be the person that you wanna be, yada, yada. However, there are lots of little things between us now and us at that point that need to happen. And so, you know, making small changes one degree a day, which is a topic that we've talked about on this podcast many times. Mm-hmm. that I think parallels and embraces the idea of slow, smooth, smooth as fast. Like take your damn time. Mm-hmm. like take the required steps that you need, that your body's demanding of you, that your energy allows you to do. Mm-hmm. you know, not to fight or push through it. Yeah. There are moments in our life where that is demanded out of us, but that's not a great frequency to be operating at all the time. That sounds so stressful. Yeah.

Cody: 34:40

Well, you can't on a sprint all the time. That's why sprinting is sprinting. Yeah. Yeah,

Tali: 34:43

exactly.

Cody: 34:44

You can't sprint a marathon. Like, well, people run marathons faster than I sprint, but it's, it's relative.

Tali: 34:50

Right. And wildly that like a certain lift, like a clean and jerk, like, that's such a microcosm Yeah. Of that idea. Mm-hmm. like, we're talking about something that happens in such, such a short amount of time. Yeah. This feels very much like a, like interstellar movie. Mm-hmm. kind of concept where there's these you know, stretches of time or whatever that. We think about too simplistically. Yes.

Cody: 35:13

Well, you're sort of like running through my notes. Am I file in like one sentence? So I wanna wait,

Tali: 35:18

wait, wait. I have to finish that thought. Okay, go. So yeah, thinking about a lift as like a microcosm of, you know, that that postpartum stretch. Oh yeah. You know, like if you think about the steps that you need to take in order to like, you know, bring your body back to a healed state or like an optimal state after, you know, having put it through a lot of change in stress, you know, within that lift. Like there are small steps, like there's that pushing through the feet, there's passing through the shins with the shoulders over the bar, and then it, you know, pulls back into the hips and then the hips extend and then this, you know, the momentum's on the bar and then you're pulling under, like there's all these little steps that will make an a sound lift and. It's just kind of wild to think about how this concept can be applied to something so seemingly small. Mm-hmm. or short and something so long. Yeah. Like that's really fun to think

Cody: 36:18

about. Yeah. And that's it. That's why I said you're, you're stealing my notes. Cause I actually No, it's great. I actually put on here micro versus macro. Ooh. And you really did. You could look at that as like single task versus a larger project. And the concept can really carry through in both directions. So I want to give a little bit of context to another hard lesson that I've learned, which is in 17 years of owning a gym previous to our current business 17 years is quite a while to, to try to develop a business and to try to be successful in a niche, you know, but looking back, I can. Pull out a few different mistakes. Like there are a few lessons that I've learned from that that have are valuable lessons moving forward in our future pursuits. One of them is exactly what you're talking about is I was trying to rush results and in so doing, I stretched out a failure, if you will, for 17 years. And the analogy I was thinking of just now as you were talking was like trying to run on ice. If you just like try to like jump out of the gates like you would on a track and just like sprint out of the gate on ice, you're gonna be in one spot falling on your face or like spinning out. But if you gradually lean into the run and you gain speed, you can run on a slick surface like that. And that's a little bit how business is, I think. In a lot of pursuits, in personal achievement type pursuits, we are so eager to get to the point of success or to embody that success or to be, or to have the skill or whatever it is that we're trying to pursue that we live in a shortcut society. Like we're always looking for the hack or the skillset that's gonna like elevate me, get rich quick, get rich quick, and yeah. It's

Tali: 38:13

get fit in 30 days. Like Yeah. All

Cody: 38:15

that shit. 30 day challenges. Yeah. All that's garbage. And we're doing a 90 day challenge. Well, but our 90 day challenge is different than, because I'm not promising people to get certain results at the end of 90 days. Right. I'm, I'm, I'm hoping that we provide an experience that they can then continue with momentum through

Tali: 38:34

their relationships and their lives. Yes. It's momentum building. Yeah. I have that written here too. And that would be a really important feature, I think, to advertise. Mm-hmm. is like, this is how you build momentum. Yes. It made me think about our financial life too. The debt snowball. Oh yeah. Think about that. Like that seemingly started painfully slow. Oh yeah. You and I were paying off bills that were like, you know, debts that were like$70. 17. 17. Yes. That was our smallest debt. I can't remember what it was, but I do remember having a really teeny, tiny debt.

Cody: 39:07

Yeah. A bunch of stupid little bills we were just procrastinating on cuz we were just so lost and broke. And unorganized. And unorganized. Yeah. And, and when we took that smooth approach, yeah. The first three months were a little agonizing kind of. And I say kind of, but we were building a lot of confidence. Yeah. I say kind of because there was actually some joy in that. I don't know, I think you will relate to what I'm saying is that even though we were still kind of broke and we were going out on dates that were like, we'll share a cup of coffee and half a cookie each, and that was our whole date and we best dates in my life. Yeah. And that's when we learned to make Ramen at home or that's when we started trying to like recreate restaurant meals at home. Yeah. And so we would call it a Toyote bowl, even though it was like our version of this restaurant or

Tali: 39:53

we would make Nogs Nogs was our restaurant that we went to on our first

Cody: 39:57

date. Yeah. So, We in dialing things back like that though, it felt good, right? Like it really felt good cuz it's like, we have a handle on this. It's slow, it's really slow and it feels like we're gonna be here forever. But we were grasping it. Yeah. And we gained a lot of confidence and just peace of mind. Like, I remember just being like so relaxed by about month three. It's like, oh, we're not behind on the motorcycle payment anymore. Or at least caught up on bills. It started to feel like progress, but it did take three to six months to really feel like the snowball, quote unquote, was actually working. Oh yeah. It was moving fast. And now we are one payment away from paying off our car. And I think we're down to two debts.

Tali: 40:40

We're down to a couple. We have a, we've got an IRS

Cody: 40:42

bill. Oh yeah.

Tali: 40:45

Irs. Irs. Bill, my weightlifting shoes. and student loan. Student loan and a business debt. I'm, I feel like I'm gonna die with that loan. No, you won't. I know, I know. It's just tricky because we've like made it to the major three and then we've added a bunch of debt. There's this yeah. Concept that I was reading about earlier today. The upper limit, something like the upper limit sabotage or the upper limit. Something where you gain a certain level of success and you kind of like feel like you're floating out there. Like, oh shit, I've like, I haven't like grown into my britches yet. Exactly. Mm-hmm. And so then you come up with all these ways to kind of sabotage yourself because that learning phase feels safe. Mm-hmm. kind of like what you were saying, like building momentum and confidence in our financial life. Well, I see that all the time, which I think is really interesting.

Cody: 41:40

Yeah, that's interesting because I've seen that all the time in fitness world too, where people start to get a level of success that they've never seen before. Like they. It's surreal. That's why, yeah. I've coached people. It's such a wonderful feeling as a coach to have people like, I've never been this fit, or I've never been this capable, or I've never been able to do this before. And they, and they hit that, and then they kind of hit a stride where it's like all of a sudden they start missing workouts or all of a sudden they start putting beer back into the diet or whatever. Or they, it's

42:08

like

Tali: 42:08

grow a fat ego

Cody: 42:10

or that. But I, I've seen people sort of like get to this level that they've never been to before, and then it's almost like they, they don't embody it. What got them there and what they need to do to stay there or continue to improve

Tali: 42:25

maintenance is harder than

Cody: 42:27

building slowly step back. Yeah. And I'm totally guilty of that. Oh yeah. And I can show you pictures from the last 10 years to show you that I'm guilty of that Yeah. That's an interesting tangent that we just went on.

Tali: 42:37

Well, that's, that's what's so important to me about getting into the driver's seat when it comes to nutrition coaching is. I don't want that yo-yoing. Yeah. Anymore. Mm-hmm. I wanna be like even keeled, smooth. Have lot. Yeah. Have lots of tools in my pocket. Yeah. To just like maintain. Mm-hmm. maintenance is really hard building and like, you know, you and I have a a power lifting meat coming up and it's so easy to like get your ass in gear when there is an end point or an arrival point, but just doing it for the sake of doing it or for like lifestyle benefits can feel really hard.

Cody: 43:15

It can, yeah. And I think that has a little bit to do with the mindset up front though too, which is why I'm always like, stop setting goals. Let's embody the person you wanna be and think of that in terms of like, I want this new practice to be something that is who I am and what I

Tali: 43:31

do. But sometimes that embodying who you wanna be. Like I mentioned before, you can skip steps by kind of like fake it till you make it. I know we've talked about this before, where. you can start to like, implement things in your life that are maybe more in line with where you want to go as opposed to where you are. Mm-hmm. and this particular idea, I would say parallels are episode about warming up a lot more about like, feeling things out, preventing injury. Mm-hmm. you know, mitigating mistakes. Yeah.

Cody: 44:07

I have on here rushing results can lead to injury. Which really obviously in the fitness world, you know. Thank you. You've ob you know, obviously if you try to set a new record every time you go into the gym and add weight, add weight, add weight, you know, you, I think common knowledge that that's gonna lead to an injury. Tell the Bulgarian that. But we but we do as a people, as people who are trying to like progress in life. Change and grow. I think sometimes we can do that with our psyche and not really realize it, you know, like try to improve too much too soon instead of taking a long approach with it.

Tali: 44:45

Well, I think so much of that has to do with our attention span and like you said, we're a culture of get it now, microwave, make it happen now. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's making me think about that Miranda Lambert song, automatic where she's like, like I used to use a payphone and I used to have to drive like all the way to Dallas for a dress and I had to you know, write letters. Mm-hmm. yeah, our patients really, I mean, I know for myself my patience is terrible. Mm-hmm. and. That's why when I'm learning music, I just wanna push through to a point that feels fun rather than learning the foundations. And, you know, coaching is a really helpful tool to manage that, especially if you're somebody who feels tempted to kind of skip ahead. Yeah.

Cody: 45:33

Well, I'm fighting through that a little bit right now. What you wanna go through.

Tali: 45:37

I was just gonna say, it's not always the worst method though, because I don't know if we've recorded this podcast yet, but learning through coaching,

Cody: 45:45

I think, or teaching, I don't know. Will you talk about it so often that I'm not sure if we've recorded

Tali: 45:49

it or not. So the reason it came up for me just now is that, you know, there was a, when I decided that I wanted to become a CrossFit coach, I had not been doing CrossFit for very long. Mm-hmm. And I was too afraid to tell my coaches that I was doing this because I was afraid that they would be judgmental. That like, you don't know what you're fucking doing yet. And so I guess that just speaks to what I was saying before. It's within my nature to want to like skip steps. Mm-hmm. but that's also in favor of what I find to be the most potent less way of learning for me, that might not be the case for everybody else. Mm-hmm.

Cody: 46:27

Well, we've talked a lot in this podcast and in our writing that you and I do to take action, like have an action bias to that, there's such a vast difference between knowing something and experiencing something. Mm-hmm. And so you can't really fully know something until you just go out and, and actually put action into something. So I think there is a lot of value and having that mindset, that action bias to want to dive in and do things. But, but then when it comes to the actual practice of getting better at that, I think we do need to, every once in a while, pump the brakes and say, I'm gonna be a better coach if I start with. Maybe teaching just the on-ramp class for like a couple months, you know, and just working with newbies in small groups and, and slowly build the momentum of the type of clients you work with and the type of things you're coaching. I was just telling you

Tali: 47:22

about that today when I was like, this just feels like a stepping stone, my current nutrition certification. Oh, yeah. Do a deeper dive later. Yeah. And that's what CrossFit was for me, for weightlifting. Mm-hmm. like, there was just kind of like a, a, a general baseline or a general understanding of lots of different things to be able to do the deeper dive. Like doing the deeper dive right off the bat could have been really scary. Yeah. That's always like kind of mystifying to me, like folks who get their PhDs really, really young. Yeah. Or like, they have like combination programs where you like, get your master's and then your PhD. Mm-hmm. I think Dory was gonna do that. And then by the time she got her master's she was like, I'm done. Yeah. That was plenty.

Cody: 48:05

Well that kinda reminds me of a book ranged by David Epstein in that you know, he's advocating for people to experience and try a range of things rather than try to specialize early. Cuz there's sort of this myth of what he calls like the Tiger Woods myth where Tiger Woods started playing golf when he was like two or something. That's silly. Like he walked and he played golf, you know, when he was an infant. And that's true. Like he was cultivated to be an athlete from a very, very, very young age. And we tend to hear these stories of people that are like that. Or examples of like Chinese weightlifters for instance, who maybe start when they're like, you're old enough to walk, pick up that bar, you know, Yeah. But what he found through his research, cuz he was actually like a sports journalist before he wrote this book. Oh, cool. So there are a lot of sports analogies in there and what he found is that, that those are outliers that get famous. And so people think that that's the road to success, specialize early. And niche down, niche down, niche down, niche down. Until you're just like the leading expert in that. Right. Another

Tali: 49:18

way they, well, and the rest of us who don't, who, who like missed that boat when we were two years old are like, shit outta luck. Yeah. You, you we're just gonna be, what were

Cody: 49:27

those? It's like, I'm 25. I'm too late to start. And what was, people like Gary Vaynerchuk are out there. Like, you, you have so much life ahead of you. Like, shut up. Like what was that

Tali: 49:36

work movie we watched Divergent where they have those different factions of like, you're this or this or this. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's like the faction list who like, they're like society's outcast because they're not like specifically geared for anything. Yeah. But turns out those faction list people are the bad asses. No, it was the divergence that were. Maybe they were synonymous. I can't really remember. Anyway,

Cody: 50:00

the silly value system, the idea with the book range is not that it's not valuable to specialize, but that you will probably be able to specialize better if you have a range of experience to work from. So, you know, especially when you're young, try lots of different things. Go to different schools, take a lot of different classes. Don't specialize, don't pick a major your first year of school. Like don't, we shouldn't be promoting that even, but to have a wide range and I kind of forget how we got on this topic, but I think that take taking our time, it just goes to that slowest, smooth, smoothest, fast thing. Because what his point was, is that if you take your time and don't try to rush to a niche pursuit, that even though it may look like you're slower coming out of the gates, you may develop experiences and skills. That somebody who specialized early on never were exposed to, right? So you can bring insights to your specialty later on that other people would miss. And so you end up excelling at a higher rate later on than the people who niched very early. Mm-hmm. And that's one of the concepts of that book is it's kind of exactly what we're talking about, slow as smooth, smooth as fast, but on a sort of like a lifespan type of macro view. Yeah. Is to like spend a lot of years in a lot of diversity and it can set you up for a more intelligent approach at any niche that you te that you wanna pursue later on.

Tali: 51:34

So I have a note here that says contrast and we always have to pay devil's advocate on the same thing. I want to think about like where this might not apply and. First thought was when it comes to our relationship, you and I have the agreement that we're gonna bring things up as soon as they come up and really embrace that maybe those feelings aren't really sorted out yet. Mm-hmm. and we're gonna help each other work through them and investigate them. But I don't know if it started that way. You know, it had to have taken some practice.

Cody: 52:13

It did, but it was really early on. I remember the conversation where you brought that up. Like, if anything's wrong, I want it brought to the table as fast as possible, because I don't want resentment to build.

Tali: 52:24

Well, for instance, I have a person that I'm very close to in my life that we've had a little bit of a rift since COVID was all going down because we were on opposite sides of the fence. There was just not a lot of understanding on either side. And I feel like our relationship's been a little fractured by it, even though like the calm after the storm is mm-hmm. you know, the dust has settled, I guess. And I haven't jumped to the opportunity to address it, and that might just be because I don't have that kind of practice with them that I have with you. Even though we talk all the time about how honesty has been like pouring out into other areas of our lives or addressing tension when it exists. You know, trying to eradicate it right away.

Cody: 53:11

Well, and you have developed that as a skill with other people. We talked about it on episode 30 of the podcast that meeting people where you're at, where they're at or start where you're at, I think is what the title is. Well, it that you and I, but I congratulated you or, or edified you a bit on that podcast for your. Skill of approaching difficult conversations quickly. Yeah. Because you, I've seen it, I've seen it evolve in you since we had gotten together and it's amazing.

Tali: 53:41

Well, I have to say I haven't felt like particularly moved to seek it out, but that's also because neither one of us were reaching out to each other mm-hmm. And now that one of us has, I feel compelled to address it. Mm-hmm. So just slow is smooth. Smooth is fast work when it comes to relationships. Well, because you and I were like, fast is fast, fast is good. Yeah. Well we were just celebrating all of our anniversaries of like when we met, when we slept over at each other's house. Our first date, our first kiss all happening in the month of January. Yeah, you and I just like, we just went right to it like we did

Cody: 54:18

fast. As fast and if you want an example of how fast folks, oh God. What Well, we were just putting the timeline together and we kind of disagreed on like what the timeline was until we started looking through some old text messages. Right. I'm like, holy shit, this was fast. So we got together in January. We were sort of like officially seen. We met in December. Yeah. We barely, yeah, barely. We officially were like dating by like week 2nd of January, so it wasn't even the whole month. I went to Mexico for a month in February, I came back and by the end of March we were engaged. Are you sure? Yes. Because I have the timeline in our text messages of when we met Ken and Mara for breakfast and we told. Or you, you told your mom, you told your mom that

Tali: 55:07

time that we met them on the rooftop

Cody: 55:08

deck? No, no, no, no, no. That was the first time that I met them. Right? No, we You went out with your mom and kind of spilled the beans.

Tali: 55:17

I didn't tell her we were engaged. I told her that like, yeah, I'm really serious

Cody: 55:21

about it. Point is we were basically engaged three months ago. Are we

Tali: 55:25

That's true. I don't think that's true. Mm-hmm. I'm not sure what documentation would verify that. I'll look back again because I can't think

Cody: 55:34

of. but we

Tali: 55:35

were fast. That's my, yes, we were fast So it's interesting that, you know, there's this, this idea that seems so universal, but, well,

Cody: 55:45

let's, let's back up a little bit to the concept of, but

Tali: 55:48

it doesn't necessarily appeal to our nature. I mentioned that.

Cody: 55:51

Oh yeah. But I think we can, I don't think these ideas are in conflict though, because I coach people all the time To start where you're at. Start, the key word there is start like action bias, like this kind of thing. This is a big revelation for me in my life cuz I spent the first 42 years of my life getting ready to get ready, to get ready, to get ready. And I became a very action-oriented person just about a year before I met you. And my whole life has been different since then. Yeah. And so I'm really hit, I'm always pushing this like, people just act, just do like, stop talking about your dreams, just fucking work on'em. Do something. And But that doesn't mean that you have to be in a rush when you're taking the action. So start early, but start smooth and slow. Like start slow,

Tali: 56:41

smooth off the floor. I have that, yeah. On a note. And

Cody: 56:44

so, like I've talked about before about this thing I came up with where, you know, people like set the bar high, set the bar high, and I'm like, no, you set the bar low, so low that you just trip over it. I love that you have to just thank you so much, set it so low that you just can't help but accomplish the thing that you set out for, because then you accomplished something. And then you can go over the next bar and the next bar and the next bar and the next bar and you have these milestones that you can like achieve, but keep them in bite size chunks. So I think it really applies to slow and smooth. It's just don't wait, don't do nothing. Like don't wait to take action. Take action as fast as possible. In the action itself, slow down and smooth it out.

Tali: 57:28

Does that make sense? Yeah. I feel like that can be to a fault though. And I only think about that now with which part? The, the action bias. Like I've, it's almost become like reflexive to me, where I've mentioned like there in a lot of different ideas that we've explored that there's, you know, stretching to the point of injury or you know, like we're talking about now, like needing to warm up mm-hmm. or to start off smooth off the floor. And I just feel like there's also this kind of potential risk of that action bias. I guess the action bias is more of like the starting point, like you said, and then this is like a, a way of engaging with it. Yeah, exactly. How

Cody: 58:13

to interact with it. Yeah, exactly. And, and also think in terms of results. like start action as fast as possible, but be patient for those results. Like don't be so fixated on getting to a certain point. Well,

Tali: 58:26

it's like this podcast, right? Mm-hmm. like 30 something episodes in, we have the recording equipment that we want, like pretty much everything that we could want. Mm-hmm. you know, maybe they could be better versions of it, but we have all the capabilities that we want. Mm-hmm. where in the beginning, you know, we started with a lot less, or settled for a lot less, but we also kept it going. We allowed ourselves to kind of grow into it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Until like, this process is really smooth and now we're adding in another element. Mm-hmm. and another, you know?

Cody: 59:00

Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to bring a back around to my analogy with my business before, because 17 years of sort of trying to rush results got me pretty poor results in our business now that we're launching. You and I have been working on ideas around this business for about a year and a half now, cuz it was before I started at the foundry.

Tali: 59:22

It's changed

Cody: 59:23

form a lot. It's changed form a lot, but that's been a slow process of trying to get the ideas gelling. Right. But since we've really landed on an idea that we're both excited about and are sure that we wanna move forward on, it's been November, December, January, so it feels like longer.

Tali: 59:43

It feels like so much longer since you quit. Yeah. But

Cody: 59:46

Two and a half months, a little over two and a half months. I think the old me, like in previous business, like I would've been trying to do marketing two months ago. I would've been already trying to like get a first client, like let's just build this as we do it kind of thing. But instead, you and I. Corrected. One mistake that I from my past, which is we hired a mentor, we have a coach. And in having that coach, if you remember the way the curriculum started, it's like, let's work about mindset. And I'm like, Ugh. Like I already know what I want to do. here. Like I don't, yeah, I don't need to like spend a week working through homework on mindset. But the thing is, is. This slowest, smooth, smoothest, fast thing. It, I feel like we're ramping up to a jumping off point now where I, I feel so much more confident. Feel ready for it. Yeah. In our success, once we do launch marketing, because I'm starting to understand more of it, and I've spent two, almost three months now building the back end of things. You know, creating a new website, creating a new sales page, creating all these new social media accounts and understanding how they work and how they link together and how the marketing is going to be put forward and how to associate it to this podcast. I mean, there's like all this stuff that's sort of a I don't know, it's just easy to want to skip over. Mm-hmm. But I do feel confident that once we finally launch that marketing, that when we get the first phone call or email coming in, it's like, I'm confident. I know that it's all set up. It's working properly. You and I understand our. Product and what we're offering. Well that

Tali: 1:01:26

was the hardest part. Yeah. We had a lot of components that we wanted to incorporate, but we didn't really know how to package it. Mm-hmm. Cuz you know, we want to use the skills that we have, but we kind of wanted to move into a new model because we've done what we've done. We'd like to try something else. Yeah. So I

Cody: 1:01:41

feel like we're practicing this. I feel like we're practicing this sort of slow is smooth, but smooth is gonna be fast because we are laying the foundation to be able to properly implement this business and structure it correctly and have it be running smoothly and efficiently once we get those first clients on board.

Tali: 1:02:00

Yeah. It can feel like a lot of front loading and like a lot of effort up front that is hard to kind of muster the energy up for. Cuz it can feel lofty. But it's been, like you said, it's been all drawn out for us from our business coach, which I can't. express enough how valuable that is to have. Oh, yeah. We've talked about mentorship and how important that is. It really fucking is. Mm-hmm. at least, you know, when it comes to weightlifting as really what I always draw my understandings to I feel now, after having had weightlifting coaches for seven to 10 years now I feel like I can lift, you know, and I can, you know, get through a program without coaching. Yes, I'm a coach myself, but I've also used that coaching to an advantage of like my own understanding. And I think that's just really valuable to, to have someone kind of take off your plate to start with because it's so easy to get overwhelmed. All those components that you mentioned with our business. It would've been so tricky to, to grab at all of them. Mm-hmm. Or to know how to prioritize them or, yeah. And that's, so often we've been told like, don't worry how it looks. Don't worry if it's perfect. Just fucking do it. Ship

Cody: 1:03:23

it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think you're touching on what I wanted to try to draw that parallel with Essentialism is that when you slow down and we have a mentor that's kind of, I don't wanna say he's slowing us down, but he is like, before you do that, you have to do this, this, and this.

Tali: 1:03:40

Well, when you're so close to the situation, it's easy to forget all the components. Someone who's like overseeing everything. Yeah. But can really pay attention to that.

Cody: 1:03:48

Yeah. But our coach is also reigning us in on what needs to be done versus what would be like nice to be done. Oh yeah. We

Tali: 1:03:54

wanted to like make merch and all sorts of shit. Yeah. Like even before we had a name. Yeah. you know? Yeah. Like, that stuff's sexy. That stuff's fun. And it's been hard to. you know, get back to the drawing desk or like to do what feels more tedious. Mm-hmm. But the cool thing about it is that it gets easier. Yeah. The more you get it done. So one

Cody: 1:04:11

of my notes here is this, the idea with, in relating to essentialism is that hurried work can actually produce more work for you to do. Yeah. Than if you slow down and say, okay, this thing that I was like panicking to get done does not even have to be done. Or it can be done six months from now. Yeah. If, but it, it takes slowing down to know that. Because if you're just so in it and you're just so doing the work, it's like, oh, I need to get my, I need to finish that journal cuz it's all written, all I gotta do is edit it and I can publish it and blah, blah, blah. You know, it, it's unnecessary. None of that matters right now. Well that's another

Tali: 1:04:47

component I was saying that like, that's a lot of stress to put on one's body to like always be in a state of trying to move quickly. And I would say that that's true in weightlifting too. Where, you know, there's a lot of. like amping up and smelling? Well, it's not a lot of smelling salts, that's more in like power lifting, but like just trying to like a, like rise to the frequency. Mm-hmm. And I used to have coaches who felt like I needed this. Cuz I had learned to be just like really zen about it. Mm-hmm. and that's not really typical of the culture or I don't know, you know, being a weightlifter is really badass and to be, you know, kind of chill about it I think is odd. Cuz it doesn't feel like it resonates or aligns with the sport itself or what the objectives are. But I always felt like my very best lifting is like when I would be, you know, approaching it with a very calm demeanor and like a level of focus that was quiet. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I feel like that really lent to my, my poise on, on the platform. Absolutely.

Cody: 1:06:05

That was something that was taught to me in my younger days of performance arts. Like if you're on stage, whether it's music or drama nerves will make you want to speed up and you don't even realize your

Tali: 1:06:18

Yes. Oh my gosh. I can think about that with singing, like when we sing at our wedding.

Cody: 1:06:22

Yeah. Yeah. So typically songs sung live are at a faster tempo than they are on the album because they have the energy of the crowd and all of this stuff going on. And some of that's okay. You know, that energy is great to channel. Yes, but if it's getting to the point where your nerves are like taking over or you're making mistakes, that's something that was really taught to me early on is like, say your line's so much slower than you think you should. Like say the line as if you are really taking your time But what that does is it,

Tali: 1:06:57

everyone is speeding up the podcast right now. Oh

Cody: 1:06:59

yeah. Well hopefully you do anyway cuz we sound way more intelligent when you listen to us at like 1.5. Uhhuh. At least Uhhuh. Yeah, The, but that idea of taking that physical approach to slowing things down also calms your mind. Like you start to relax into it and then it can pick up a more natural flow to it. Yeah.

Tali: 1:07:18

So it allows you to do things correctly.

Cody: 1:07:21

for sure. So it carries over, I think, to a lot of

Tali: 1:07:23

different areas. It does. And I feel like that's what I've seen, like a lot of lifters get carried away with. Like, gosh, there's, I think it's so silly when there's all this hype and barking and rying and whatever, and then they miss the lift and it's like, well, you probably amped yourself up too much. Yeah. You know, you're not paying attention to what you're doing anymore because you are, you know, on such a fucking high, you know? Yeah. Like bring it back down. Yeah. Crown those feet.

Cody: 1:07:46

And my last note here is about growth. And I think that sometimes we are always taught that growth is always good and the faster the better. In, in whatever arena, whether it's our physical performance or our finances or business or whatever. And I think we can see in the business world when this happens, it can be very public where something will take off and it'll grow really fast. And then the company just collapses Because I, you and I have experienced this before, actually we have with calling into companies, I won't name names, and some of it was like COVID related, but where there's such a growth of outpour for demand, that the company itself is like piss poor service, all of a sudden you can't, what are you talking about? I'm not gonna mention it online, on the air, but when you're trying to order equipment and it, oh, it's like, that's not available. That's not available. You know, we'll email you when it's available six months later. It's like, what the fuck? You know, it's like they're not keeping up with the demand. And you think, and this idea in business is that demand is always great. Like, oh, I wish I had people beating down my doors for this. No, if you grow too fast, you can't keep up with that. Right? And, and sometimes it's done on purpose. Like, this is kind of a cliche story in like the tech world in Silicon Valley and or the internet boom that happened in the nineties where these companies would have these huge investment caps. Like, oh, this company's worth$500 million. And it started two months ago, you know, and it would collapse because they had no infrastructure built to be able to handle that kind of yikes volume. And I think that, We can maybe look at that in our personal lives too, like trying to grow too fast makes you weak, actually. Like if you're trying to get too strong too fast, it makes you weak. And so you have to smooth it out and take the proper steps of growth. A a good example of this is kind of gross, but oh my god. What that, this is just an example of how disgusting corporate farming is. Oh. Which is like meat chickens. I don't know if most people even realize this. Oh, I know what you're gonna say, but meat chickens have been bred to. And the way they're fed and hormones and whatever, but they've been bred to grow so fast that a meat chicken can grow so fast that its legs will break. Like it's not even strong enough to hold its own body weight on its legs because there's basically a deformity. But that's a perfect example of how this carries over to the physical world. It, or the psychological world or business or whatever it is. Trying to grow too fast can not only diminish like the quality of the work or maybe the success of the growth, but even if you do grow fast and you, you get to where you want to go, you might break yourself or you break your company or whatever it is along the way because you haven't taken the time to get strong Yeah.

Tali: 1:10:42

Properly along the way. Well, we don't always have control over that. There are a lot of things in our lives that maybe we don't foresee that can cause that. Growth spurt, if you will. Mm-hmm. you know, I, I just think about people who look back to their, you know, younger self and being like, I had to grow up really fast because of whatever things took place in their families Sure. Or in their lives or trauma or something like that. Mm-hmm.

Cody: 1:11:12

But, but when that's thrust on you and it's not your choice, I think that's just all the more reason to recognize it. Yeah. And be able to take a step back and say, I need to work through these things that I didn't have a chance to work through before. You know, that's kinda how,

Tali: 1:11:24

and you and I are talking about our fitness lives where we have a lot of control for where that goes and what that entails. And you know, something that I, I find myself saying a lot is that it's so easy for us to create our own suffering mm-hmm. And I think it's so important to catch it when we are doing it. Yeah. I think a lot of it can be mitigated with really asking yourself like, it's this worth it. is it necessary? Mm-hmm. does this concern me? Yeah. That could be a whole podcast in and of itself. Oh yeah.

Cody: 1:11:58

Yeah. Tangent city. Yeah. Did you get through your notes? I got

Tali: 1:12:02

through all of my notes. Cool. I think so. Yep.

Cody: 1:12:05

Yep. I did too. You think of anything else you want to add to this?

Tali: 1:12:10

I mean, I just think it's a great call to action that slowing yourself down to produce better results you know, might not be inherent to you, but try it. Mm-hmm. you know, if things aren't turning out the way that you want them or if you are lifting and it's looking like dog shit, like, just consider like pull back the reins. Like let the weight be heavy. Let the natural processes or the most effective processes trump your eagerness to. do it, make it happen. Make it happen faster. Mm-hmm. whatever. Yeah.

Cody: 1:12:47

Yeah. Just remember it takes years to become an overnight success.

Tali: 1:12:52

Yeah.

Cody: 1:12:52

Yeah. I like that. Just be willing to Nestle into the process and enjoy it.

Tali: 1:12:57

Yeah. Yeah. And let it be what it is. Don't try to make it something it's

Cody: 1:13:01

not. Mm-hmm. Well as we mentioned earlier in the podcast, is the first time we've recorded it looks like it's successfully recording still. Woohoo. And I do wanna point out though, that the audio is gonna be better online or on our podcast channels versus the YouTube because of some technical upgrades that we'll need to do eventually. Mm-hmm. so keep that in mind. But our YouTube channel live all your life or Fit Together, fit together as some new branding that we are working on. I'm gonna gonna go ahead and talk about it a little bit. Sure. We are transitioning our coaching model to. coaching clients couples, I should say, as clients remotely. So we are providing both fitness and nutrition as many coaches do. However, we are implementing a connection practice into that. So we call it couples connection practices. Mm-hmm. And so as you're getting fitter and improving your relationship with food, you're strengthening your connection as a couple and doing it together and, and kind of getting on the same

Tali: 1:14:07

page. And it's also kind of like that concept of those oxygen masks on the airplane where they always say like, you know, put it on yourself first before assisting another. Mm-hmm. we can only show up as the best partners when we're taking good care of ourselves. Yeah, that's right. When we're feeling ourselves and when we're, you know, feeling accomplished. Mm-hmm. like we're going somewhere.

Cody: 1:14:29

Yeah. So the new brand with that, our, our podcast will continue to be live All Your Life. That's the name of the overall company that we are operating on. All of the different things that we do under but Fit Together brand is specifically for this couple's coaching. We are super, super excited about, and we'll be sharing more details, but I just wanted to tease it a little bit now because if you're searching for this video, it's likely gonna be on that channel for Fit Together slash live all your life. And yeah, lots of cool things coming up. So under

Tali: 1:15:02

the Philosophy of Fitness podcast,

Cody: 1:15:04

well the philosophy of fitness is a tangent within the Live All Your Life podcast. Right, right. Yeah. Right. So I, but I wanted to tease that out cuz we probably will have other podcasts that are pertaining specifically to our work with couples and the relationship aspects and things like that. So Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, just wanted to tease that a little bit. Cool. Anything else you want to add? No, this was fun. All right. Thanks babe. Love you. Love you too.

Tali: 1:15:34

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